MY
VlSIT TO THE KREMLIN
Nestor Makhno
First Encounters
I arrived at the gates of the Kremlin determined to see Lenin and, if possible, Sverdlov, and to have a talk with them. A soldier was seated behind a wicket. I handed him my credentials from the Moscow Soviet. After reading it carefully, he made out a pass, attached it to my credential, and I passed through into the interior of the Kremlin. Inside a Latvian rifleman was pacing back and forth. (1) I went round him and started to enter the main square when I found myself nose to nose with another sentry. I asked him to point out the building to which I was to go. From that point on, I was free to walk around, to look at the various cannon and shot dating as far back as before the time of Peter the Great, to stop in front of the Tsar’s Great Bell and other well-known curiosities, or to go directly into one of the palaces.
I turned to the left and was swallowed up in one of these palaces (I've forgotten its name) and I climbed a stair up to the third floor. Then I strode down a long, empty corridor where there were placards hanging on the doors reading ‘Central Committee of the Party’ or ‘Library’. Having need of neither the one nor the other I continued on my way without being aware whether or not anyone was behind these doors.
Some of the placards didn't have any names on them, so I reversed my steps, stopped in front of the one which read ‘Central Committee of the Party’, and knocked on the door. "Enter,” replied a voice. Inside the office three people were sitting together in perfect silence. Among them I seemed to recognise Zagorsksi whom I had seen two or three days earlier in one of the Bolshevik Party clubs. I asked these people where I might find the office of the Central Commmitee Executive.
One of the three (Bukharin, if
I am not mistaken), got up and took his briefcase under his arm. Addressing his
colleagues loudly enough so I could hear, he said, “I'm leaving, I’ll show
this comrade the office of the CCE,” indicating me with his chin and starting
for the door. I thanked the people present and left with the one whom I believed
to be Bukharin. The hallway was as quiet as a tomb.
My guide asked me where I was
from.
“From the Ukraine,” I replied. He then asked me several questions about the terror which was raging in the Ukraine and wanted to know how I was able to reach Moscow. Arriving at the stair, we stopped to continue the conversation. Finally, my accidental guide indicated a door to the right of the entrance of the corridor where, according to him, I would find the information I needed.
Tsar's Great Cannon |
And
after shaking my hand, he went down the stair and left the building.
I
went to the door, knocked and entered. A girl asked me what I wanted.
“I
would like to see the chairman of the Executive Conmmittee of the Soviet of
Workers, Peasants, Soldiers
and Cossacks Deputies, comrade Sverdlov,” I answered.
Without
saying a word, the girl sat down at a table, took my credentials and pass,
studied them, copied out some information, and made out another pass on which
was indicated the number of the office to which I was to go.
In
the office to which the girl sent me I found the secretary of the CCE, a sturdy
man, who looked well-fed but with tired features. He asked me for my papers and
I handed them over. He found them interesting and started asking questions.
“So,
comrade, you’re from the South of Russia?”
“Yes,
I’m from the Ukraine.”
“You
were already chairman of a Committee for the Defence of the Revolution at the
time of Kerensky?” (2)
“Yes.”
“Then
you are a Socialist Revolutionary?” (i.e., member of the SR Party)
“No!”
“What
connections do you have or have you had with the Communist Party in your
region?”
“I
am personally acquainted with several Bolshevik Party militants,” I replied.
And I cited the name of the chairman of the Revolutionary Committee of
Alexandrovsk, comrade Mikhailevitch, and some other militants from
Ekaterinoslav.
The
secretary was silent for a moment, then questioned me about the mentality of the
peasants of the ‘South of Russia’, about their behaviour towards the German
troops and the soldiers of the Central Rada, about their attitude towards Soviet
power etc.
I
gave him brief answers which apparently satisfied him; actually I regretted not
being able to explain more fully.
Finally he telephoned someone and then invited me to go to the office of the chairman of the CCE, comrade Sverdlov.
Jakov Sverdlov |
My
Interview With Sverdlov
On
the way I thought of the stories spread by the counter-revolutionaries, even by
my own friends who were enemies of the policies of Lenin, Sverdlov and Trotsky,
namely that it was impossible to gain access to these terrestial gods. They
were, supposedly, surrounded by a corps of bodyguards, the chief of whom would
allow only visitors of whom he approved.
Now,
accompanied by the secretary of the CCE, I realised the absurdity of these
stories. Sverdlov opened the door himself with a pleasant smile, exuding
friendliness, and taking me by the hand, led me to an armchair. The Secretary of
the CCE returned to his office.
Comrade
Sverdlov looked even more prosperous than his secretary. He also seemed more
interested in what had transpired in the Ukraine during the last two or three
months. He said to me straight off:
“So,
comrade, you have come from our tormented South. What work were you carrying on
there?”
“The
work in which the great masses of the revolutionary workers of the Ukraine are
engaged. These workers, having taken an active part in the Revolution, went on
to struggle for their total emancipation. In their ranks, I was, if I may say
so, always the first to advance towards this objective. Today, because of the
collapse of the revolutionary Ukrainian front, I find myself temporarily
stranded in Moscow.”
“What
are you saying, comrade?” exclaimed Sverdlov, interrupting me. “The peasants
of the South are mostly kulaks or partisans of the Central Rada.”
I
burst into laughter and briefly but succinctly described to him the action of
the peasants organised by the anarchists in the region of Gulai-Polye against
the Austro-German occupation troops and the soldiers of the Central Rada.
Evidently
unsettled, comrade Sverdlov nevertheless continued:
“Then
why didn’t they support our Red Guard units? According to our information the
peasants of the South are poisoned by
extreme Ukrainian chauvinism and everywhere they have welcomed the German
troops and the Central Rada’s forces with enthusiasm as their liberators.”
Agitatedly I began to refute
Sverdlov’s information about the Ukrainian campaign. I admitted to him that I
myself was the organiser and chief of several battalions of peasant volunteers
which were leading the revolutionary struggle against the Germans and the
Central Rada. I assured him that the peasants could recruit from their own midst
a powerful army to combat these enemies but they did not see clearly the purpose
of the Revolutionary War. The units of Red Guards, fighting from their armoured
trains, stayed close to the railway lines. They fell back at the first reverse
without even bothering to pick up their own soldiers, abandoning tens of miles
regardless of whether the enemy was advancing. These units, I complained, did
not inspire confidence in the peasants who, isolated in their villages and
lacking arms, were at the mercy of the hangmen of the Revolution. In fact the
armoured trains of the Red Guards never even bothered to send detachments into
villages situated close to the railways. They didn’t give arms to the peasants
nor encourage them to revolt against the enemies of the Revolution, to join the
struggle themselves.
Sverdlov listened attentively,
from time to time exclaiming, “Is this possible?” I cited several units of
the Red Guard belonging to the groups of Bogdanov, Svirski, Sablin and others.
Becoming more composed, I pointed out that the Red Guards could not inspire
confidence in the peasant masses so long as they concentrated on defending the
railways by means of armoured trains which allowed them to take the offensive
rapidly but more often to retreat. Yet these masses saw in the Revolution the
means of getting rid of their oppressors - not only the great landowners and
rich kulaks, but also their lackeys, the State officials with their political
and administrative power. Thus the peasants were ready to detend their conquests
against the massacres and wholesale destruction of the Prussian Junkers
(3) as
well as the forces of the Hetman.
“Yes,” said Sverdlov. “I
think you are right about the Red Guards....but we have now reorganised them
into the Red Army which is currently building up its forces.
(4) If the peasants
of the South are endowed with a revolutionary spirit such as you describe, there
is a good chance the Germans will be wiped out and the Hetman will bite the dust
in short order. Then Soviet Power will triumph in the Ukraine as well.”
“That will depend on an
underground movement being organised in the Ukraine. Personally I consider this
movement more necessary than ever. Provided it takes a militant form it will
incite the masses to open revolt in the cities and villages against the Germans
and the Hetman. Without an insurrection of an essentially revolutionary
character in the interior of the Ukraine, the Germans and Austrians will not be
forced to evacuate the country and it will not be possible to threaten the
Hetman and his supporters or to force them to flee with their protectors.
Don’t forget that because of the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk and political factors
relating to foreign powers which our Revolution must take into account, an
offensive by the Red Army at this time is inconceivable.” (5)
While I was presenting my
opinions, comrade Sverdlov was taking notes.
“In this case I share your
point of view completely,” he said. “But what are you? Communist or Left
Socialist Revolutionary? That you are an Ukrainian I can tell by the language
you use, but as to which of the two parties you belong, that I cannot
determine.”
This question, while it came as
no surprise (the secretary of the CCE had already asked it) put me in an
embarrassing position. What should I do? Say frankly to Sverdlov that I was an
anarchist-communist, comrade and friend of those whom his party and its State
system had crushed two months earlier in Moscow and other cities, or hide myself
under another banner?
I was perplexed and Sverdlov
realised it. I didn’t want to reveal my conception of the social revolution
and my political attitude in the middle of our interview. To dissemble was
equally repugnant. That is why, after thinking for several seconds, I said to
Sverdlov:
“Why are you so interested in
my political affiliation? My papers show you who I am, where I am from, and the
role I have played in a certain region, organising the workers of town and
village as well as partisan groups and battalions of volunteers to fight against
the counter-revolution raging in the Ukraine. Isn’t that enough for you?”
Comrade Sverdlov apologised and
asked me not to doubt his honour as a revolutionary or suspect him of losing
confidence in me. His excuses seemed so sincere I felt ill at ease and, without
further hesitation, declared I was an anarchist-communist of the
Bakunin-Kropotkin type. (6)
“What sort of
anarchist-communist are you, comrade, since you advocate organising the
labouring masses and directing them in the struggle against capitalist power?”
inquired Sverdlov, with a disarming smile.
To his astonishment, I replied
to the chairman of the CCE:
“Anarchism is an ideology
which is too realistic not to comprehend the modern world and real events. The
part taken by its practitioners in these events is based on a clear
understanding of the goal to be attained and the means to be used to reach
it...”
“I have no objection to that,
but you don’t resemble in the least these Moscow anarchists who established
themselves on Malaia Dimitrovka Street,” Sverdlov told me, and he wanted to
expand on this subject, but I interrupted him:
“The crushing of the
anarchists of the Malaia Dimitrovka by your party is a tragedy which must not be
repeated in the future in the interests of the revolution...”
Sverdlov muttered something
into his beard and, rising from his chair, came up to me, put his hands on my
shoulders and said:
“I see you are very
well-informed about what has transpired since our retreat from the Ukraine and
especially about the real feelings of the peasants. Ilyich, our comrade Lenin,
would certainly be delighted to listen to you. Would you like me to phone
him?”
I replied that there wasn’t
much I could add for the benefit of comrade Lenin, but Sverdlov was already on
the phone, advising Lenin that he had on hand a comrade possessing very
important information about the peasants of the South of Russia and their
attitude towards the German forces of occupation. And right away he asked Lenin
when he could see me.
A moment later, Sverdlov hung
up, and made out a pass allowing me to return the next day. Handing it to me, he
said:
“Tomorrow, at one o’clock
in the afternoon, come here directly.
"Count on me," I replied. "But can I get a document fom the secretariat of the Central Committee authorising the Moscow Soviet to give me a temporary and free lodging for myself? Otherwise I'm forced to sleep on a park bench."
"We will arrange everything tomorrow," Sverdlov replied. And I, saying goodbye to him, made my way out of the Tsar's palace to the gates of the Kremlin, again passing around the Latvian sentry, the rows of different calibre shot and cannon, casting a quick glance at the Tsar's Great Cannon. Until tomorrow....
I did not return to the apartment belonging to the Peasant Section of the Congress of Soviets, the chief of which was Burtsev, a former cellmate of comrade Arshinov. (7) Burtsev had provided shelter for many comrades including Archinov who were gradually becoming a burden to him. Instead I went to see the head of the Trade Union Centre, who had also served time in prison with Arshinov. But not finding him very receptive I went to find one noted, as they say, for being a "crazy", the anarchist Maslov.
Knowing comrade Maslov from our stint at hard labour together, I announced to him that since I had no place to spend the night, I was going to move in with him.
Comrade Maslov did not object and I stayed with him. Indeed, Mastov showed me special hospitality despite my criticisms of his peculiar individualism which prevented him from establishing fraternal relations with his former comrades in the Moscow organisation of anarcho-communists.
My interview with Lenin
The following day, at one o'clock, I showed up again at the Kremlin where I found comrade Sverdlov. He led me immediately to Lenin. The latter welcomed me in a friendly manner. He grasped me by the arm and, patting me gently on the shoulder with his other hand, steered me into an armchair. After asking Sverdlov to settle himself in another chair, he went to his secretary and said to her, "Please don't disturb us until two o'clock." Then he sat down opposite me and began to ask questions.
Lenin in 1918 at his desk in the Kremlin |
His first question was: "What region are you from?" Then: "How did the peasants of your region understand the slogan ALL POWER TO THE SOVIETS IN THE VILLAGES and what was the reaction of the enemies of this slogan - of the Central Rada in particular?" Finally: "Did the peasants of your region revolt against the Austro-German invaders? If so, what was lacking for the peasants revolt to be transformed into a general uprising in concert with the action of the Red Guard units, which have defended our revolutionary conquests with so much courage?"
To all these questions I gave brief replies. With his own peculiar talent, Lenin endeavoured to pose his questions in such a way that I could answer point by point. For example, the question: "How did the peasants of your region understand the slogan ALL POWER TO THE SOVIETS IN THE VILLAGES?" Lenin repeated three times. He was astonished at my reply:
"The peasants understood this slogan in their own way. According to their interpretation, all power, in all areas of life, must be identified with the consciousness and will of the working people. The peasants understand that the soviets of workers and peasants of village, country and district are neither more nor less than the means of revolutionary organisation and economic self-management of working people in the struggle against the bourgeoisie and its lackeys, the Right socialists and their coalition government." (8)
"Do you think this way of interpreting our slogan is corect?" asked Lenin.
"Yes," I replied.
"Well, then, the peasants of your region are infected with anarchism!"
"Is that bad?"
"That's not what I meant.
On the contrary, we're delighted because this will mean the victory of communism
over capitalism," Lenin replied, adding, "But I doubt if this
phenomenon is spontaneous; it is the result of anarchist propaganda and won't
persist. I'm even inclined to believe that this revolutionary enthusiasm,
crushed by the triumphant counter-revolution before it has had a chance to give
birth to an organisation, has already disappeared.”
I pointed out to Lenin that a
political leader should not be a pessimist or a sceptic.
“Therefore according to
you,” Sverdlov interrupted, “We should encourage these anarchist tendencies
in the life of the peasant masses?”
“Oh, your party will not
encourage them,” I replied.
Lenin seized the opportunity.
“And why should we encourage
them? To divide the revolutionary forces of the proletariat, pave the way for
the counter-revoution and end up by destroying ourselves along with the
proletariat?”
I couldn't restrain myself and
became quite upset. I pointed out to Lenin that anarchism and the anarchists had
nothing in common with the counter-revolution and were not guiding the
proletariat in that direction.
“Is that really what I
said?” Lenin asked me and added, “I was trying to say that the anarchists,
lacking mass organisations, are not in a position to organise the proletariat
and the poor peasants. Consequently they are in no position to arouse them to
defend, in the widest sense of the term, that which we have conquered and which
is so dear to us.”
The interview turned next to
the other questions posed by Lenin. To one of them, the question of “the
Red Guard units and the revolutionary courage with which they have defended our
common conquests,” Lenin compelled me to reply as completely as possible.
Evidently the question worried him or reminded him of what the Red Guard
formations had recently accomplished in the Ukraine, supposedly attaining the
objective set for them by Lenin and his party, in the name of which they had
been sent from Petrograd and other great, far-off cities of Russia. I remember
Lenin’s emotion, the emotion of a man who was passionately struggling against
a social order which he hated and wished to destroy, when I said to him:
“Since I participated in the
disarming of many Cossacks retreating from the German front at the end of
December 1917 and the beginning of 1918, I am well informed on the
‘revolutionary courage’ of the Red Army and on its leaders in particular.
(9) But it seems to me, comrade Lenin, that, basing yourself on second and third
hand information, you are exaggerating their performance.”
“How’s that? You
disagree?”
“The Red Guards have shown
revolutionary spirit and courage, but not in the way you describe. The struggle
of the Red Guards against the Haidamaks (10) of the Central Rada and,
especially, against the German forces, has known moments when the revolutionary
spirit and courage, as well as the actions of the Red Guards and their leaders,
were revealed to be very weak. Certainly in most cases this can he attributed to
the fact that Red Guard detachments have been formed hastily and operated
against the enemy in a way quite different from either partisan troops or
regular units.
“You must know that the Red
Guards, regardless of their numbers, carried on the attack against the enemy by
moving along the railroads. But the territory ten or fifteen miles from the
railway lines was not occupied; the defenders of the revolution or the
counter-revolution could come and go there freely. For this reason, surprise
attacks succeeded almost inevitably. It was only near the cities and towns on
the railway that the Red Guards organised a front from which to launch their
attacks. But the rear areas and the immediate vicinity of the railway junctions
remained without defenders. The offensive thrust of the revolution collapsed in
the face of the counter-coup. The Red Guard units had hardly finished
distributing their proclamations in a given region when the
counter-revolutionary forces were on the offensive and forced them to retreat in
their armoured trains. In fact the people in the villages didn’t even see the
Red Guards and therefore couldn’t support them.”
“What are the revolutionary
propagandists doing in the villages?” Lenin asked. “Are they not preparing
the rural proletariat to provide fresh troops for the Red Guards passing near
their neighbourhoods, or to form whole new corps of Red Guards to take up
offensive positions against the counter-revolution?”
Lenin & Sverdlov admiring a statue of Marx & Engels |
“Don’t get carried away.
The revolutionary propagandists are very scarce in the villages and can’t do
much. But every day hundreds of propagandists and secret supporters of the
counter-revolution are appearing in the villages. In many localities, it’s too
much to expect the revolutionary propagandists to create new forces and organise
them against the counter-revolution. These times require decisive actions from
all revolutionaries in all areas of life and of the workers’ struggle. Not to
take this into account, especially in the Ukraine, allows the
counter-revolutionaries backing the Hetman to develop and consolidate their
power.”
Sverdlov kept his eyes
sometimes on me, sometimes on Lenin. As for the latter, he clasped his hands,
inclined his head, and was lost in thought. Then he straightened up and said:
“All that you have just said to me is quite regrettable.”
Turning to Sverdlov, he added,
“By reorganising the Red Guard into the Red Army we are following the right
path to victory of the proletariat over the bourgeoisie.”
“Yes, yes,” replied
Sverdlov enthusiastically.
Next Lenin said to me: “What
work do you intend to accomplish in Moscow?”
I replied that I wasn’t
staying long. In accordance with the decision of the conference of partisan
groups held in Taganrog, I would be returning to the Ukraine early in July.
“Clandestinely?” Lenin
asked.
“Yes,” I replied.
Addressing Sverdlov, Lenin
made this comment: “The anarchists are always full of self-denial, they are
ready for any sacrifice. But they are blind fanatics, they ignore the present
and think only of the distant future.” Indicating that this was not directed
at me, he added: “You, comrade, I think, have a realistic attitude towards the
problems of our times. If only a third of the anarchists in Russia were like
you, we the communists would be prepared to collaborate with them under certain
conditions for the purpose of the free organisation of producers.”
At this moment I felt
rising up in me a profound feeling of respect for Lenin, despite my recent
conviction that he was responsible for
“The Revolution and its conquests are dear to the anarchist-communists;
in that respect they are like all other true revolutionaries.”
“Oh, don’t tell us that,” retorted Lenin, laughing. “We know the
anarchists as well as you. For the most part they have no idea of the present,
or at least they concern themselves with it very little. But the present is so
serious that for revolutionaries not to think about it or to take a position in
a positive manner with respect to it is more than disgraceful. Most of the
anarchists think and write about the future without understanding the present.
That is what divides us, the communists, from you.”
With these words Lenin got up from his chair and began pacing back and
forth.
“Yes, yes, the anarchists are strong in ideas about the future - in the
present, they don’t have their feet on the ground. Their attitude is
deplorable and because their fanaticism is devoid of content, they are without
real links with this future which they dream about.”
Sverdlov was wearing a malicious smile and, turning to me, he said:
“You can’t dispute that Vladimir Ilyich’s comments are just.”
Lenin hastened to add: “Do the anarchists ever recognise their lack of
realism in present-day life? Why, they don’t even think of it.”
Responding to this, I told Lenin and Sverdlov that I was a semi-literate
peasant and could not dispute in a proper manner the learned opinion which Lenin
had expressed about the anarchists.
“But I must tell you, comrade Lenin, that your assertion that the
anarchists don’t understand ‘the present’ realistically, that they have no
real connection with it and so forth, is fundamentally mistaken. The
anarchist-communists in the Ukraine (or the ‘South of Russia’ to you
communist-bolsheviks who try to avoid the word Ukraine), the
anarchist-communists, I say, have already given many proofs that they are firmly
pklanted in ‘the present’. The whole struggle of the revolutionary Ukrainian
countryside against the Central Rada has been carried out under the ideological
guidance of the anarchist-communists and also in part by the Socialist
Revolutionaries (who, of course, have entirely different aims from the
anarchist-communists in their struggle against the Central Rada). Your
Bolsheviks have scarcely any presence in our villages. Where they have
penetrated, their influence is minimal. Almost all the communes or peasant
associations in the Ukraine were formed at the instigation of the
anarchist-communists. The armed struggle of the working people against the
counter-revolution in general and the Austro-German invasion in particular has
been undertaken with the ideological and organic guidance of the
anarchist-communists exclusively.
“Certainly it is not in your party’s interest to give us credit for
all this, but these are the facts and you can’t dispute them. You know
perfectly well, I assume, the effective force and the fighting capacity of the
free, revolutionary forces of the Ukraine. It is not without reason that you
have evoked the courage with which they have heroically defended the common
revolutionary conquests. Among them, at least one half have fought under the
anarchist banner – Mokrousov, Maria Nikiforova (11), Tchederedniak, Garin,
Lounev and many other commanders of troops loyal to the Revolution whom it would
take too long to mention – all these are anarchist-communists. I could talk
about the group to which I belong myself and all the other partisan groups and
‘battalions of volunteers’ for the defence of the Revolution which we formed
and which were indispensable to the Red Guard command.
“All this shows how mistaken you are, comrade Lenin, in alleging that
we, the anarchist-communists, don’t have our feet on the ground, that our
attitude towards ‘the present’ is deplorable and that we are too fond of
dreaming about the future. What I have said to you in the course of this
interview cannot be questioned because it is the truth. The account which I have
made to you contradicts the conclusions you expressed wbout us. Everyone can see
we are firmly planted in ‘the present’, that we are working and searching
for the means to bring about the future we desire, and that we are in fact
dealing very seriously with this problem.”
At this moment I looked at Sverdlov. He turned red but continued smiling.
As for Lenin, spreading his arms, he said: “Perhaps I am mistaken.”
“Yes, yes, in this case, comrade Lenin, you have been too hard on us,
the anarchist-communists, simply, I believe, because you are poorly informed
about the real situation in the Ukraine and the role we are playing there.”
“Perhaps I don’t dispute it. But anyway mistakes are unavoidable,
especially in the current situation,” replied Lenin.
Noticing I had become a little hot under the collar, he did his best to
pacify me in a paternal way, diverting the interview very adroitly on to another
subject. But my bad character, if I may call it that, would not allow me to
interest myself in further discussion, in spite of all the respect Lenin
inspired in me. I felt insulted. Although I knew that in front of me was a man
with whom there were many other topics to take up and from whom there was much
to learn, my state of mind was altered. My answers were no longer as detailed;
something in me snapped and I experienced a feeling of revulsion.
Lenin was hard pressed to deal with this change in my attitude. He
endeavoured to defuse my anger by speaking of other things. Noticing that I was
recovering my former disposition as a result of his eloquence, he asked me
suddenly: “So you intend to return to the Ukraine clandestinely?”
“Yes,” I replied.
“Can I offer you my assistance?”
“With pleasure,” I said.
Turning to Sverdlov, Lenin asked, “Who is currently in charge of
sending our agents into the South?”
“Either comrade Karpenko or comrade Zatonski,” Sverdlov replied.
“I’ll have to check.”
While Sverdlov was phoning to find out which one was in charge of sending
undercover agents into the Ukraine, Lenin tried to persuade me that the position
of the Communist Party in regarding the anarchists was not so hostile as I
seemed to think.
“If we have been obliged,” Lenin said, “to take energetic measures
to dislodge the anarchists from the particular building they were occupying in
the Malaia Dimitrovska, in which they were harbouring bandits from here or
elsewhere, the responsibility doesn’t fall on us but on the anarchists who
installed themselves there. You must understand they were authorised to occupy
another building not far from the Malaia Dmitrovka and they are free to carry on
their work in their own way.”
“Do you have any evidence,” I asked Lenin, “proving that the
anarchists of the Malaia Dmitrovska were harbouring bandits?”
“Yes, the Extraordinary Commission (12) collected and verified it.
Otherwise our party would not have authorised the measures taken,” Lenin
replied.
Meanwhile Sverdlov had sat down with us again and announced that comrade
Karpenko was in charge of passing secret agents, but that comrade Zatonski was
also well-informed in this matter.
Lenin exclaimed immediately: “So, comrade, go tomorrow afternoon or
whenever to comrade Karpenko and ask him for anything you need to enter the
Ukraine clandestinely. He will give you a route to follow to cross the
frontier.”
“What frontier?” I asked.
“Aren’t you up to date? A frontier has been set up between Russia and
the Ukraine. (13) There are German troops guarding it,” Lenin said irritably.
“Yet you consider the Ukraine as ‘the South of Russia’,” I
replied.
“To consider is one thing, comrade, and to see things as they are is
another,” retorted Lenin.
Before I had time to make a rejoinder, he added: “You tell comrade
Karpenko that I sent you. If he doesn’t believe it, he has only to phone me.
Here’s the address where you can find him.”
Then we all stood up, shook hands, and after exchanging thanks,
apparently cordial, I left Lenin’s office, forgetting even to remind Sverdlov
to order his secretary to make the necessary note on my documents which would
entitle me to a free room from the Moscow Soviet.
I quickly found myself at the gate of the Kremlin and immediately set off
to see comrade Burtsev.
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